semi-ot: someone i know has twiddled mailman into working with pgp. dunno exactly what that means, but if you want to know more, ask ben laurie <ben at ALGroup.CO.UK>. -- #ken P-)} Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/ Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/ "Millennium hand and shrimp!"