Debian flamewar (was: Can I bother you with another Linux question?)

[Travis Roy]

for a good side by side comparison of real features of packages and not 
package managers see:

http://www.kitenet.net/~joey/pkg-comp/

For actual package management see:

http://lwn.net/Articles/49967/

FLAME ON

Ben Scott wrote:
>   IMPORTANT NOTE #1: Regular readers of this list will recognize the
> subject line, which I drag out whenever a Debian luser makes a
> particularly egregious claim about what they consider God's Chosen
> Distribution.  People who are not interested in pointless flame and
> debate should delete any message they see with this subject line.
> 
>   IMPORTANT NOTE #2: While my message below is written in the mode of
> a flame, my tongue is at least somewhere in the vicinity of my cheek. 
> While I believe the points I raise are valid, if I were looking for a
> serious discussion, I would use far less sarcasm and invective.  But I
> know from experience that serious discussions with religious bigots
> are pointless.  That doesn't preclude me from having fun at their
> expense, though.  :-)
> 
> On 11/17/05, Thomas Charron <twaffle at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>   Even then it may not work is there are missing dependencies on the part
>>of THAT library as well.
>>
>>   Why I hate rpm and love debian..  ;-)
> 
> 
> #ifdef FLAME
> 
>   For the love of $DEITY.  You must be going for a record on the
> number of stupid assumptions per number of words.
> 
>   Let me break out my clue-bat...
> 
>   *WHACK*
> 
>   RPM is a package manager, Debian is a distribution.  That is like
> saying "Why I hate Cool Ranch Doritos and love Nabisco."  I expect you
> mean "APT".
> 
>   *WHACK*
> 
>   RPM is a package manager, APT is a dependency manager.  They are not
> the same kind of tool.  The equivalent of RPM on Debian systems is
> "dpkg".  The equivalent of APT on Red Hat is "up2date"; on Fedora it's
> "yum".  Get a freaking clue.
> 
>   *WHACK*
> 
>   The reason the person ran into trouble was because they were not
> aware of any of these tools.  How the h*ll is Debian going to do
> better when all someone does is "scp /usr/X11/lib/libXm.so
> some.other.host:/usr/X11/lib/"?!?  Is Debian patching their kernels to
> intercept all file I/O calls and fire off APT if someone copies a file
> the wrong way?
> 
>   *WHACK*
> 
>   Debian would be a really nice distribution if it wasn't managed by a
> bunch of overzealous fools who have lost all connection with reality. 
> The Debian creed is "Debian is God's Chosen Distribution.  Debian is
> Perfect.  All Glory to Debian!"  The problem is that any attempt to
> report any kind of bug, conflict, issue, or RFE to a Debian person
> results in being met as a heretic.  After all, Debian is *perfect*. 
> Any suggestion that things might be otherwise is a direct attack on
> the Deity.  Such reports are thus ignored.  Thus, Debian generally
> does not improve, or does so at a glacial pace.  It really has
> devolved to that point.  It's pathetic, and it's a damn shame to see a
> project with such noble goals and ideals ruined by such mindless
> elitism.
> 
>   *WHACK*cluebat snaps*
> 
> #endif
> 
>   I find "yum" does very well when it comes to solving dependencies on
> Fedora and CentOS systems.  "up2date" worked fine on Red Hat systems,
> when I still used those.  I've noticed "yum" appears somewhat slower
> then "apt-get" for many operations, though.  Which is curious, as I
> also find "rpm" to be somewhat faster then "dpkg" in most cases.
> 
> -- Ben "Software Atheist" Scott
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