[Fwd: ECMA 376 - When standards produce fictitious days]
Greg Rundlett
greg.rundlett at gmail.com
Sat Feb 3 00:12:54 EST 2007
Note that the name is misspelled in the form letter at the bottom.
(maddog has it written correctly) The Secretary General of ISO is
Alan Bryden http://www.iso.org/iso/en/aboutiso/principalofficers/index.html
On 2/2/07, Jon 'maddog' Hall <maddog at li.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Below is a letter that I sent to the Secretary of ISO who is holding a
> new standard that is trying to be rammed^h^h^h^h^h^hpassed through the
> Fast-Track process by Microsoft.
>
> Now normally I take these things with a grain of salt, but when I looked
> at the objections on the site, the FIRST one I hit was this one:
>
> http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/EOOXML_objections#The_Gregorian_Calendar
>
> and I could start to feel my blood boil a bit. Then I started to go
> down the list in a more selective fashion, and I found this:
>
> http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/EOOXML_objections#Undisclosed_proprietary_specifications
>
> Now ten years ago I might have understood a standard based on a widely
> used commercial product, but with the Internet and "Openness" I would
> hope that the standards bodies would get a little better.
>
> So while normally I would not suggest that someone "fill up a person's
> email inbox" with form letter, I suggest that you go to the list and
> find your favorite outrage, formulate a letter specifically about that,
> and send it to Mr. Bryden
>
> My thanks to Jomar Silva <homembit at uol.com.br> for his original letter
> (included below my letter to Mr. Bryden), making me aware of this.
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> From: Jon 'maddog' Hall <maddog at li.org>
> Reply-To: maddog at li.org
> To: bryden at iso.org
> Cc: Jon 'maddog' Hall <maddog at li.org>
> Subject: ECMA 376 - When standards produce fictitious days
> Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 13:03:13 -0500
>
> Dear Mr. Bryden,
>
> It has come to my attention that ECMA 376 is under Fast-Track processing
> as an ISO specification. This is in regards to the OpenXML
> specification, which is over 6000 pages long. Microsoft has submitted
> this as a Fast-Track submission to ISO and is ramming it through.
>
> The review period was only a month, and given the fact that people in
> that short time have found several objections:
>
> (http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/EOOXML_objections)
>
> to a specification that will have such world-wide impact, I think that
> some more time and effort should be put into the review process and that
> ECMA should come to resolution of these issues and consensus in the
> world-wide community before re-submitting this proposal.
>
> In addition, as an elder 38-year member of the commercial computer
> industry, historian and computer scientist, I really have to say that I
> am *shocked* at the concept of invalidating existing standards of
> calendar creation (ISO 8601) and the *definition* of the Georgian
> calendar just because of a bug in one commercial vendor's particular
> product. If you do not know what I am talking about, and especially if
> you *do* know what I am talking about, then you *have* to send the
> Fast-Track proposal back to ECMA.
>
> Warmest regards,
>
> Jon "maddog" Hall
>
> ================================Jomar's letter===============================
> From:
> Jomar Silva <homembit at uol.com.br>
> To:
> maddog at li.org
> Subject:
> OpenXML proposal at ISO
> Date:
> Fri, 02 Feb 2007 14:50:45 -0200
> (11:50 EST)
>
>
> Hi Maddog,
>
> It's been a long time since our last contact, but I (and the whole
> community) need your help.
>
> As you may already known, Microsoft submited on january 5th a
> Fast-Track submission to ISO, regarding the OpenXML specification. The
> final date of this analysis is the next monday, 5th of february.
>
> Seeing that there are too many contradictions about this
> specifications, and the community don't has a official way to act on
> this process, we're asking here in Brazil to the community members to
> send the e-mail message found bellow to the Secretary of ISO, Mr.
> Bryden. We believe that if he receives at least 500 messages and read
> at
> least one time the link mentioned, he will see that the world-wide
> community is watching his decisions.
>
> If you can send copy of this e-mail to your contacts and
> communities,
> you will be helping all of us.
>
> Best regards, and thank you for your help,
>
> Jomar Silva
>
> --------------------------------------
> PARA: bryden at iso.org
> SUBJECT: Objections to JTC-1 Fast-Track Processing of the Ecma 376
> Specification v. 0.1
> MENSAGEM:
>
> Mr. Bryde,
>
> I'm writing you regarding the Fast-Track processing of the ECMA 376
> specification.
>
> You can see on this website
> (http://www.grokdoc.net/index.php/EOOXML_objections) there are several
> objections that the world-wide community found on the proposed
> specification (more than 6000 pages to be analysed only on 30 days).
>
> For those reasons, I would like to ask you to send the specification
> back to ECMA, and accept it back when all the issues are solved.
>
> Best regards,
>
> A member of world-wide community
>
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