Gentoo (was: ARTICLE - ESR gives up on Fedora)

[Dan Miller]

I wouldn't mind making a presentation, it can't be right away though.I 
could do it sometime. What other things do you want to know? I will work 
on a presentation, so I won't answer them via email.

Dan

Ben Scott wrote:
> On 2/26/07, Dan Miller <rambi.dev at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Whats scarier? vim /etc/config_file.config or kate
>> /etc/config_file.config? Its not that scary, you don't need to edit many
>> many config files.
> 
>  "Scary" from the point of view of P17T [1].
> 
> 1. PDOTLREBTWWLLAPACTT [2]
> 2. People doing ordinary tasks, like reading email, browsing the web,
> writing letters, looking at pictures, and calculating their taxes.
> 
>> Its not that scary. I've automated most commands I do.  I have a nightly
>> cron that syncs the portage, then runs emerge -upD world (check
>> everything in my world file and its dependicies to see if there are any
>> updates). The output of this and glsa-check -tv all (check to see if any
>> install packages have security issues). The output of these are then
>> emailed to me every morning. I also have a logwatch report that comes 
>> to me.
> 
>  ...
> 
>  Thanks for making my point for me.  ;-)
> 
>  I have no idea what most of that means, and *I'm* a certified geek.
> Now, I'm sure I could figure it out, given time and manuals and
> Google.  But I do this kind of crap for a living.  P17T would be
> terrified by the above.  :)
> 
>> I open up the CLI to run emerge, ssh, and various other commands. The
>> CLI is faster in some ways than any gui.
> 
>  I agree.  I'm a command-line junkie.  But P17T insist on using GUIs.
> Partly because it's what they're used to.  Partly because they do
> enable easy exploration of the unknown.
> 
>> Emerging OpenOffice took me about 3 hours, thats on a dual-core dual
>> proc Opteron 2800SE with 4 gigs of ram.
> 
>  Yikes.  I tremble to think of how long it would take on the 1200
> MHz, 256 MB box I was running at home eight months ago.  Still, that's
> useful as hard data; thanks for offering it.  :)
> 
>>>  ... say I mail the package maintainer ... and he says, "Huh.  Not sure
>>> what your problem is, but your system is completely different from
>>> my system."
>>
>> Thats the maintainers problem, not yours. He should change ...
> 
>  I have a couple problems with that.  One is that I firmly believe
> this whole user/programmer thing is a partnership, so I regard heavy
> burdens on the programmer to be bad for me as a user.  The other
> problem is that this is FOSS, so it's quite possible that the packager
> could be me, and the user, someone else.  In short, if it sucks to be
> a packager, the packages will suck.  :-)
> 
>> Wow, there is a lot in portage, and the emerge process has, about the
>> only thing that can be done is a nice overview. With some of the
>> benefits, and power a user has.
> 
>  That sounds like a *great* talk!  So, then, when can you present?  :-)
> 
>  I am serious about inviting presentations on this.  I'd love to
> hear, first-hand, from a Gentoo fan, what's good about Gentoo.
> "Presentation" can be any format you like -- slides and speech,
> improvised Q&A, software demonstration, etc.  Just sit down with an
> install CD if you like.  We can make a ground rule about "No distro
> wars" to keep from getting side-tracked.
> 
> -- Ben
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