[GNHLUG] Re: Hosstraders Dead, but NEARFest Lives!!

[David Ecklein]

We have a parallel problem to this in many small NH towns (including ours,
Rumney).  We are nickle-and-dimed at the dump for many things besides CRTs.
Since they charge $5 to $10 to dispose of them, it is not uncommon to see a
mattress rotting away in an otherwise beautiful ravine, or an old monitor
leaching out into the groundwater who knows what, as a result.  Enforcement
is difficult.

Is there really no way to recycle monitors?  In the sense of reclaiming
enough material to at least pay for the disposal.

Sigh...

Dave E.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ben Scott" <dragonhawk at gmail.com>
To: <gnhlug-discuss at mail.gnhlug.org>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [GNHLUG] Re: Hosstraders Dead, but NEARFest Lives!!


> On 3/19/07, Bill Sconce <sconce at in-spec-inc.com> wrote:
> > The whole idea has drawbacks.
>
>   True, true.
>
> > Example 1a:  Just asking people to not bring CRT monitors would be
> > effective at some level.  That is, most would comply.  The ones
> > who won't comply will bring them in anyway.
>
>   Fair bit of truth in that.  The main problem with an outright ban is
> that those who want to bring a tube for legitimate reasons would be
> barred.  Used oscilloscopes come to mind.
>
> > (Are the organizers thinking of searching vehicles?)
>
>   Heh.  I'd like to see them try, given the volume of crap shoved into
> most vehicles!
>
>   Seriously: Given that the only reason to bring a CRT is to use it or
> sell it, both of which require exposure, simply walking around looking
> for untagged CRTs would likely be a pretty effective enforcement.
>
>   Someone could smuggle a CRT in and out, keeping it hidden the whole
> time, but that's rather pointless, any in any event, doesn't effect
> the operators.  Someone could smuggle a CRT in and then dump it on the
> sly, of course, but you can do that anywhere, without paying an
> admission fee first.
>
> > Example 2a:  Asking for a $20 deposit requires issuing chits of SOME
> > kind and tracking them with 100% accuracy.
>
>   They make disposable stickers/tags that suit this purpose, and said
> can be had very cheaply, if you buy in bulk.  (Whether the operators
> have obtained any such, I dunno.)
>
>   100% accuracy is not needed.  Only enough accuracy to make it more
> cost-effective to administer the deposit system vs rolling the cost of
> disposal into the admission fee.
>
>   "The purpose of a car alarm is not to make it impossible to steal
> your car.  The purpose is to make it easier to steal the car in the
> next space over."
>
> > Without an accurate control system, some
> > of the CRTs which come in under other stuff would go out on top,
> > grabbing a deposit "refund" on the way.
>
>   One hopes the operators are not *that* naive.  (Such hopes have
> proven optimistic in the past, of course...)
>
> > Example 2b:  Without an accurate control system, some people who are
> > entitled to $20 back on the way out (e.g., the buyer of suct a CRT)
> > might not get it.  A hassle.
>
>   Presumably, the hassle would have to exceed the supposed value
> obtained by bringing the CRT in.
>
>   From my point of view, the real problem I see with a deposit system
> is that it may increase the incidence of illegal waste dumping
> immediately outside the environs of the host site.  Presumably, the
> local authorities will eventually figure that out, and complain to the
> host site operators, who will in turn complain to the event operators.
>
>   Hence the WEEE/RoHS stuff in the EU.  Not that that helps the
> hamfest people any.
>
> -- 
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me"
>                                                   -- Rush, "Far Cry"
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