[GNHLUG] Re: Hosstraders Dead, but NEARFest Lives!!

mike miller k4ghp at comcast.net
Wed Mar 21 21:26:22 EDT 2007


Check out the Dell recycling program.  They will pick up any brand of 
computer or peripheral including monitor at your house for recycling.

Mike Miller
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David Ecklein" <dave at diacad.com>
To: "Ben Scott" <dragonhawk at gmail.com>; <gnhlug-discuss at mail.gnhlug.org>
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: [GNHLUG] Re: Hosstraders Dead, but NEARFest Lives!!


> We have a parallel problem to this in many small NH towns (including ours,
> Rumney).  We are nickle-and-dimed at the dump for many things besides 
> CRTs.
> Since they charge $5 to $10 to dispose of them, it is not uncommon to see 
> a
> mattress rotting away in an otherwise beautiful ravine, or an old monitor
> leaching out into the groundwater who knows what, as a result. 
> Enforcement
> is difficult.
>
> Is there really no way to recycle monitors?  In the sense of reclaiming
> enough material to at least pay for the disposal.
>
> Sigh...
>
> Dave E.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ben Scott" <dragonhawk at gmail.com>
> To: <gnhlug-discuss at mail.gnhlug.org>
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2007 9:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [GNHLUG] Re: Hosstraders Dead, but NEARFest Lives!!
>
>
>> On 3/19/07, Bill Sconce <sconce at in-spec-inc.com> wrote:
>> > The whole idea has drawbacks.
>>
>>   True, true.
>>
>> > Example 1a:  Just asking people to not bring CRT monitors would be
>> > effective at some level.  That is, most would comply.  The ones
>> > who won't comply will bring them in anyway.
>>
>>   Fair bit of truth in that.  The main problem with an outright ban is
>> that those who want to bring a tube for legitimate reasons would be
>> barred.  Used oscilloscopes come to mind.
>>
>> > (Are the organizers thinking of searching vehicles?)
>>
>>   Heh.  I'd like to see them try, given the volume of crap shoved into
>> most vehicles!
>>
>>   Seriously: Given that the only reason to bring a CRT is to use it or
>> sell it, both of which require exposure, simply walking around looking
>> for untagged CRTs would likely be a pretty effective enforcement.
>>
>>   Someone could smuggle a CRT in and out, keeping it hidden the whole
>> time, but that's rather pointless, any in any event, doesn't effect
>> the operators.  Someone could smuggle a CRT in and then dump it on the
>> sly, of course, but you can do that anywhere, without paying an
>> admission fee first.
>>
>> > Example 2a:  Asking for a $20 deposit requires issuing chits of SOME
>> > kind and tracking them with 100% accuracy.
>>
>>   They make disposable stickers/tags that suit this purpose, and said
>> can be had very cheaply, if you buy in bulk.  (Whether the operators
>> have obtained any such, I dunno.)
>>
>>   100% accuracy is not needed.  Only enough accuracy to make it more
>> cost-effective to administer the deposit system vs rolling the cost of
>> disposal into the admission fee.
>>
>>   "The purpose of a car alarm is not to make it impossible to steal
>> your car.  The purpose is to make it easier to steal the car in the
>> next space over."
>>
>> > Without an accurate control system, some
>> > of the CRTs which come in under other stuff would go out on top,
>> > grabbing a deposit "refund" on the way.
>>
>>   One hopes the operators are not *that* naive.  (Such hopes have
>> proven optimistic in the past, of course...)
>>
>> > Example 2b:  Without an accurate control system, some people who are
>> > entitled to $20 back on the way out (e.g., the buyer of suct a CRT)
>> > might not get it.  A hassle.
>>
>>   Presumably, the hassle would have to exceed the supposed value
>> obtained by bringing the CRT in.
>>
>>   From my point of view, the real problem I see with a deposit system
>> is that it may increase the incidence of illegal waste dumping
>> immediately outside the environs of the host site.  Presumably, the
>> local authorities will eventually figure that out, and complain to the
>> host site operators, who will in turn complain to the event operators.
>>
>>   Hence the WEEE/RoHS stuff in the EU.  Not that that helps the
>> hamfest people any.
>>
>> -- 
>> "One day I feel I'm ahead of the wheel / And the next it's rolling over
> me"
>>                                                   -- Rush, "Far Cry"
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