<div dir="ltr">Thanks! I appreciate all of the feedback provided- I have been running Fedora on Thinkpad laptops since IBM days- first, a T43 and then a W500. The W500 still works, but is now too slow to do much more than be a terminal server for web browsing or jumping onto a cloud VM.<div><br></div><div>I had not looked at either the HP or the Dell laptops prior to this discussion- and there looks to be some good offerings from both companies. And, checking for refurbished and open box systems looks like a good idea as well.<br><br>Peter noted 16GB as a minimum for carrying a reasonable (software development) workload, and, I suspect 24 or 32GB would be a better future-proofing option. A faster, newer gen CPU with more cores is usually desirable, as is a bright high resolution screen, but these items need be considered against how much quicker the battery will drain. Six hours of *real* use out of a battery/system advertised to run for 10 or 12 hours on a single charge, I think would be a realistic expectation. There were some quora/reddit discussions about BIOS tweaks necessary to reduce idling power consumption for linux, some having to do with thunderbolt support. <br><br>This research, while still a work-in-progress, has benefited from your contributions. Many thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Mark Ellison<br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 7:02 PM Peter Petrakis <<a href="mailto:peter.petrakis@gmail.com">peter.petrakis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">16GB ram is my minimum for a Linux desktop. 8GB was fine before sandbox tabbed browsing came<div>along but today that's where the bulk of the memory is allocated. It works but it feels cramped sometimes.</div><div>KDE is leaner than gnome these days believe it or not. I also don't need a registry editor or "tweak tool"</div><div>to set stuff that matters.</div><div><br></div><div>I still have a T510 with an SSD that won't die. I had to replace the cpu fan recently though, bearings were going.</div><div><br></div><div>It might be worth investigating if you can get LineageOS onto the chromebook. I recently recycled a Samsung</div><div>Galaxy S4 from Android 4.4 to Android 9 using LOS (r16?). Thing screams now.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 4:07 PM Tom Buskey <<a href="mailto:tom@buskey.name" target="_blank">tom@buskey.name</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">I tend to use my laptop in one place so I don't really use the battery. I want chrome, xterminals and ssh to my servers.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">I had T61p laptops with 8GB and SSD for a long time until the power supplies got flakey.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">I upgraded to a T420s from ebay ($100ish) plugged the SSD from the T61p and just kept running.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">I like the durability (the T61p was 12 years old!).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">All the newer laptops seem to have chiclet type keyboards. I prefer more of a real keyboard.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:"trebuchet ms",sans-serif">I have a chromebook that can run Linux. It's a bit slower, has only 4GB RAM (upper limit for cheap chromebooks), lower resolution and that horrible keyboard. The battery life is fantastic though.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 2:13 PM Peter Petrakis <<a href="mailto:peter.petrakis@gmail.com" target="_blank">peter.petrakis@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">You can pickup Thinkpad x220 cheap on ebay with 2/4 core i7 processor and max 16G DRAM + SSD for under $250.<div>Just picked one up for the wife for $179.</div><div><br></div><div>After that I wouldn't bother with anything less than a P50. They can be had for under $1K and are absolute</div><div>beasts. Tons of ram capacity, multiple harddrives, nvme, dual gpus, suitable for CUDA dev.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://tinyurl.com/y3keh99t" target="_blank">https://tinyurl.com/y3keh99t</a> , <span style="background-color:rgb(248,248,248);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:"Helvetica neue",Helvetica,Verdana,sans-serif;font-size:18px;font-weight:700">Intel i7-6700HQ 2.60GHz 32GB 480GB SSD 15.6", </span>buy it now for $760</div><div><a href="http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/lenovo-thinkpad-p50-review-workstation-all/" target="_blank">http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/lenovo-thinkpad-p50-review-workstation-all/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I've been halfway around the world with *business class* Thinkpads and they have never failed me.</div><div><br></div><div>Peter</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Sep 14, 2019 at 1:17 PM Mark Ellison <<a href="mailto:ellison@ieee.org" target="_blank">ellison@ieee.org</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi- <div><br></div><div>As appropriate, please respond with your recent laptop experience...<br><br>I have been using the Lenovo Thinkpad line of laptops with Fedora Linux. </div><div><br></div><div>Currently, have a short list of laptops- the Lenovo Thinkpad T490 and the HP ProBook, Zbook or Elite with the i7 4-core 8M cache. Screen should be no larger than 14".<br><br>Some online research turned up 'short battery life' problems with the T490 that seem resolvable with some BIOS tweaks.<br><br>Any issues, any preferences? Things to consider pre-sale?<br><br>Thanks in advance for all your help!<br><br clear="all"><div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail-m_-3205179192761965653gmail-m_5726813712643304042gmail-m_6951128492288636980gmail-m_9192120814127600283gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Mark Ellison<br><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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