List Archive (Was: Re: p2p, anonymity and security)

[Travis Roy]

> Derek's assertion is that there needs to be mechanism behind one's
> ability to protect privacy. In Derek's mind Travis' actions prove this.
> In my mind, the mechanism doesn't exist yet - and probably won't because
> our society has rendered the spam problem as a "policy fix". 

The only way for this to work is that in every email ever sent to 
anybody EVER, it would scan the email. Say it sees Derek's email 
address, it would then send a copy to him asking him if it was okay for 
his email address to be posted. The problem with that is, how would 
Derek know who it was going to, since that person would also want their 
privacy.

I understand his concerns, I understand what he's saying. I have a few 
points.

1 - He's been "loose" with his email address before, you can see that 
with some simple searches, it's already EVERYWHERE. Does this mean he 
can't enforce strict guidelines now? Of course not, but if somebody 
makes a reference to an existing instance of his email I don't see how 
that is "wrong" or "bad"

2 - He expects people that he does not know, never met, probably never 
talked to, and don't even know are subscribed to this list to respect 
his wishes. Derek really does not know who is subscribed to this list 
(unless he has a copy of the list, I really don't know). If you're in a 
room with a bunch of strangers you're not going to go to every one and 
had them a card with your SSN on it, and if you did how could you even 
start to think that they would respect any terms that you think apply 
but you never actually told anybody about.

3 - Without signing a legal document he really can't do anything about 
anybody doing anything with any information on this list. He used to 
post with his email address. I have that information in my head and can 
give it out to anybody I please. I've never heard of anybody getting 
sued for giving out a phone number that's listed, or giving out a street 
address.

This is not, in any way, shape, or form a private list.