ip vs. if{up,down}

[Derek Martin]

On Mon, Mar 14, 2005 at 09:21:39PM -0500, Ben Scott wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2005 22:19:29 -0500, Derek Martin <invalid at pizzashack.org> wrote:
> > Alexey's original code had almost no comments whatsoever...
> 
> Duh.  If it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand.  Don't
> you know that?  ;-)

No, and I still don't! ;-)

> > ... you can use ifup to bring up your dial-up connections on the command line.
> 
>   Yup.  It's been this was since at least as far back as RHL 6.2.  I
> suspect it's even older, but anything before that and I'd have to pull
> archive tape for my brain.

Having never tried to use Red Hat's tools to configure dial-up
networking until recently, I was unaware that they set all that up for
you...  I'd been configuring dial-up by hand since the Slackware 3
days, and I just toted my chat scripts with me when I moved to a new
release/distro.  I even hacked together a way to handle multiple
dial-up connections, though it wasn't as slick as what RH does.

>   All "ifup foo" does is look for a file
> 
> 	/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-foo

Indeed.  While I have understood how ifup worked since shortly after
starting to use Red Hat (I was first aware of it in the 6.0 days), the
part that surprised me is that someone had the bright idea to pretend
that dial-up connections were the same as interface names, and make
ifup do it all...  Even more surprising was that it apparently came
from someone at Red Hat.  =8^)

I'm slightly reluctant to ask the question, lest I start another flame
war, but...  How does Debian deal with dial-up connections?  Or does
it, even?  Last time I used it, I had to set up my own chat scripts
manually, IIRC.

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