Wonderful world of new dists..

[Thomas Charron]

  Thanks for the input, I'm really liking the 'concept' behind Gentoo.  It's
like slackware, automated.  ;-)  On the other hand, god DAMNED, could they
make it much harder to setup?  ;-)

  My only downside to it right now is, GCC 4.1.1 doesn't have a processor
type for the Intel Core 2 Duo 7400 chips yet, nor does it have anything for
ANY of the Intel Core 2 Duo chips.  *le pout*

  We'll see what it looks like after I get kde emerged.  This'll take a whie
I suspect.  ;-)

  Thomas

On 11/2/06, Dan Miller <rambi.dev at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> >  Can you expound more on the "nice to maintain" part?  Or any other
> > parts that you like about Gentoo?  I've contemplated checking Gentoo
> > out (just because I like to sample what's out there), but things like
> > this:
>
> Gentoo has a script (at lest I think it is) call etc-update that will go
> through and check for outdated config file. Gives you a nice menu. To
> update your system you issue 2 commands. emerge --sync (This syncs the
> portage) and then emerge -u world. This will update all applications
> that are in the world file (all apps that are installed) and will update
> them. You can also include the D switch which will grab dependicies and
> recompile them also.
>
> Gentoo runs nice for servers, firewalls, desktops and whatever else you
> want. I like the lack of applications that are installed. If I want an
> application, I get that application and its dependicies only. I don't
> get everything else that people think I need. If I want KDE (for
> example) I get X, qt, qt-libs, KDE and all of its basic stuff. I don't
> get other random programs I don't need. Many distros will package
> everything, not Gentoo.
>
> I also like the speed and responsiveness of a Gentoo system. It feels
> snappier than other distros I've used. To me the layout of a Gentoo
> system is natural. My first distro was RedHat, then Mandrake, then
> Gentoo. There were issues I had with RedHat and Mandrake (mostly rpms,
> and gui themes, I felt that they were bloated). When I first installed
> Gentoo on a 450Mhz from Mandrake, the system was more responsive then
> with Mandrake.
>
> The power that Gentoo gives you as the final say is nice. I can play
> around with use flags, or compile flags and alter my system with
> different libraries or how the apps are compiled. Gentoo makes me feel
> that I am in control of my box.
>
> >
> >> USE="-imagemagick -dri -arts -gentoo-sources -dev-sources -cervisia
> >> -apache2 -qt3 -qt4 glibc-omitfp nptlonly no-seamonkey blackdown sdl
> java
> >> tiff svg unicode ldap nptl xv xvid nsplugin glitz cairo win32codec
> >> quicktime ada subversion opie sunbird thunderbird firefox ithreads
> >> -threads mysql mythtv gtk gnome -kde dvd alsa cdr dvdrw dvdr xinerama
> >> vlc mozilla dvd ffmpeg mpeg mad wxwindows aac dts a52 ogg theora
> >> oggvorbis matroska -freetype bidi xv svga gnutls stram vlm httpd cdda
> >> cvd cdio live mozbranding"
> >
> > ... always make me run away screaming.  ;-)   I figure there *must* be
> > some benefit or return-on-investment for worrying about stuff like
> > that, but I dunno what it is, and I'm genuinely curious.
> >
>
> Yes there is. Many packages have failed, so they have ended up as a
> -use-flag in my flags. Say you are setting up a samba server. Personally
> I don't want X, I don't want anything about dvd, gui, or cd-rw stuff. I
> want a basic samba system (command line only) with CUPS. In this example
> I might set the use flags as: USE="nptl nptlonly cups samba logrotate
> logwatch -gnome -qt -gtk -alsa -kde -dvd -arts -X -xpdf -motif -pdf"
>
> If I want mysql in there too, just add mysql in the flags, and then
> mysql will be compiled also. In this example, I'm saying any dependicies
> that include gnome, qt, gtk, alsa, kde, dvd, arts, X, xpdf, motif or pdf
> ignore. There are some utilies that will want X, but I won't get those.
> This will give me a system that will have cups, and samba and their
> dependicies. If your having a system that is a samba server why do you
> need X? You don't have it here. This is one example of how use flags
> work for you.
>
> Another one is the mozbranding. Because of issues with Mozilla (many
> have been raised) by default Firefox does not get compiled with the fox
> and the globe, with mozbranding, it does.
>
> >  I promise not to criticize any of your reasons/likes.  :)   Not
> > looking for a distro war here...
> >
> > -- Ben "Currently running Debian etch, but has gotten tired of having
> > the X server break every time I run 'apt-get upgrade'" Scott
>
> I've been admining a box in Utah that is running Debian, things are not
> the same. I can migrate around and do many things, but when I go looking
> for conf files, they are not were I think they should be. But this is
> the first time I've used Debian.
>
> I will say not everything is in the portage. I've downloaded a few (less
> than 5) apps that I have compiled and put on my box. Usually by the time
> I have an issue I want to find out how to fix, there is a fix on the
> forums. The documentation on how to setup many things are up and the
> community is very helpful.
>
> Hope this answers your questions. Let me know if it doesn't.
>
> Dan
>
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