Wonderful world of new dists..

Dan Miller rambi.dev at gmail.com
Thu Nov 2 22:45:58 EST 2006 

Yes KDE will take awhile, a few hours or so. One benchmark I've done:

Compile X on 266Mhz: 8+ hours

Also if you compile OpenOffice, that will also take quite a few many hours.

As for slackware, I've been told that Slackware is like a stage 4 Gentoo 
install. Haven't used Slack, but that was told to me from someone who did.

Yes compiling will take time, just make sure you have defined 
MAKEOPTS="-j3" in your make.conf

Dan

Thomas Charron wrote:
>   Thanks for the input, I'm really liking the 'concept' behind Gentoo.  
> It's like slackware, automated.  ;-)  On the other hand, god DAMNED, 
> could they make it much harder to setup?  ;-)
> 
>   My only downside to it right now is, GCC 4.1.1 doesn't have a 
> processor type for the Intel Core 2 Duo 7400 chips yet, nor does it have 
> anything for ANY of the Intel Core 2 Duo chips.  *le pout*
> 
>   We'll see what it looks like after I get kde emerged.  This'll take a 
> whie I suspect.  ;-)
> 
>   Thomas
> 
> On 11/2/06, *Dan Miller* <rambi.dev at gmail.com 
> <mailto:rambi.dev at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
>      >  Can you expound more on the "nice to maintain" part?  Or any other
>      > parts that you like about Gentoo?  I've contemplated checking Gentoo
>      > out (just because I like to sample what's out there), but things
>     like
>      > this:
> 
>     Gentoo has a script (at lest I think it is) call etc-update that will go
>     through and check for outdated config file. Gives you a nice menu. To
>     update your system you issue 2 commands. emerge --sync (This syncs the
>     portage) and then emerge -u world. This will update all applications
>     that are in the world file (all apps that are installed) and will update
>     them. You can also include the D switch which will grab dependicies and
>     recompile them also.
> 
>     Gentoo runs nice for servers, firewalls, desktops and whatever else you
>     want. I like the lack of applications that are installed. If I want an
>     application, I get that application and its dependicies only. I don't
>     get everything else that people think I need. If I want KDE (for
>     example) I get X, qt, qt-libs, KDE and all of its basic stuff. I don't
>     get other random programs I don't need. Many distros will package
>     everything, not Gentoo.
> 
>     I also like the speed and responsiveness of a Gentoo system. It feels
>     snappier than other distros I've used. To me the layout of a Gentoo
>     system is natural. My first distro was RedHat, then Mandrake, then
>     Gentoo. There were issues I had with RedHat and Mandrake (mostly rpms,
>     and gui themes, I felt that they were bloated). When I first installed
>     Gentoo on a 450Mhz from Mandrake, the system was more responsive then
>     with Mandrake.
> 
>     The power that Gentoo gives you as the final say is nice. I can play
>     around with use flags, or compile flags and alter my system with
>     different libraries or how the apps are compiled. Gentoo makes me feel
>     that I am in control of my box.
> 
>      >
>      >> USE="-imagemagick -dri -arts -gentoo-sources -dev-sources -cervisia
>      >> -apache2 -qt3 -qt4 glibc-omitfp nptlonly no-seamonkey blackdown
>     sdl java
>      >> tiff svg unicode ldap nptl xv xvid nsplugin glitz cairo win32codec
>      >> quicktime ada subversion opie sunbird thunderbird firefox ithreads
>      >> -threads mysql mythtv gtk gnome -kde dvd alsa cdr dvdrw dvdr
>     xinerama
>      >> vlc mozilla dvd ffmpeg mpeg mad wxwindows aac dts a52 ogg theora
>      >> oggvorbis matroska -freetype bidi xv svga gnutls stram vlm httpd
>     cdda
>      >> cvd cdio live mozbranding"
>      >
>      > ... always make me run away screaming.  ;-)   I figure there
>     *must* be
>      > some benefit or return-on-investment for worrying about stuff like
>      > that, but I dunno what it is, and I'm genuinely curious.
>      >
> 
>     Yes there is. Many packages have failed, so they have ended up as a
>     -use-flag in my flags. Say you are setting up a samba server. Personally
>     I don't want X, I don't want anything about dvd, gui, or cd-rw stuff. I
>     want a basic samba system (command line only) with CUPS. In this
>     example
>     I might set the use flags as: USE="nptl nptlonly cups samba logrotate
>     logwatch -gnome -qt -gtk -alsa -kde -dvd -arts -X -xpdf -motif -pdf"
> 
>     If I want mysql in there too, just add mysql in the flags, and then
>     mysql will be compiled also. In this example, I'm saying any dependicies
>     that include gnome, qt, gtk, alsa, kde, dvd, arts, X, xpdf, motif or pdf
>     ignore. There are some utilies that will want X, but I won't get those.
>     This will give me a system that will have cups, and samba and their
>     dependicies. If your having a system that is a samba server why do you
>     need X? You don't have it here. This is one example of how use flags
>     work for you.
> 
>     Another one is the mozbranding. Because of issues with Mozilla (many
>     have been raised) by default Firefox does not get compiled with the fox
>     and the globe, with mozbranding, it does.
> 
>      >  I promise not to criticize any of your reasons/likes.  :)   Not
>      > looking for a distro war here...
>      >
>      > -- Ben "Currently running Debian etch, but has gotten tired of having
>      > the X server break every time I run 'apt-get upgrade'" Scott
> 
>     I've been admining a box in Utah that is running Debian, things are not
>     the same. I can migrate around and do many things, but when I go looking
>     for conf files, they are not were I think they should be. But this is
>     the first time I've used Debian.
> 
>     I will say not everything is in the portage. I've downloaded a few
>     (less
>     than 5) apps that I have compiled and put on my box. Usually by the time
>     I have an issue I want to find out how to fix, there is a fix on the
>     forums. The documentation on how to setup many things are up and the
>     community is very helpful.
> 
>     Hope this answers your questions. Let me know if it doesn't.
> 
>     Dan
> 
> 
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